Some awfully bizarre things happened at the recent Strong Men’s Conference–and Jezebel made an appearance.
I don’t even know where to begin, and I don’t want to talk about the conference itself because so many have already done a good job. To sum up, there was one of those hyper masculinity conferences parading as a Christian conference, and it opened with an act of a sword swallowing performance artist, who had a pole in his act.
The next day Mark Driscoll came up to speak and called out the act for displaying a “Jezebel spirit” by stripping like a woman and acting like a woman who entices men in strip clubs.
(So at an all-male event, with all-male organizers and all-male performers, somehow women still get called out).
Anyway, much chaos ensued, and Rick Pidcock and Kristen DuMez and Julie Roys covered it well. It was a hot mess, and I don’t want to comment on all hot messes. Josh Howerton was enough (oh, and he was actually at this conference too. Seriously, it gets weirder and weirder.)
But I’d like to talk about the idea that there is a “Jezebel spirit.”
This part does relate to what we do here on the blog, and I’m quite passionate about it.
For context, Jezebel was a Queen in Israel whose story is told in 1 Kings. The wife of the evil king Ahab, she was instrumental in persecuting the prophets.
But she wasn’t a spirit. She was a real person.
“Jezebel spirit” is a misogynistic insult that is given towards any Christian woman who dares to speak up for women.
I get called it on social media constantly–so does every other abuse advocate I know. It’s a way to put women in their place.
(we have email chains of women arguing against abuse and for fair treatment of women and children where we console each other–“I see you got the Jezebel treatment again, join the club”.)
And in the American context, it’s especially lobbed against black women (something I learned while talking about this on social media yesterday!).
“Jezebel spirit” is mentioned nowhere in the Bible.
It is an insult used to target women as “dangerous”, in the way “witch” was in the 16th and 17th centuries. Any woman who dares to question male authority is labelled thus.
If the men and fundamentalist women who use the term liberally truly were calling out a “Jezebel spirit” based on biblical text, the closest justification is from Revelation 2, where it does talk about a Jezebel that is NOT the one mentioned in the Old Testament, but more representative of a certain type of person (though STILL not a “Jezebel spirit”, and still referring to a real person).
But, to be consistent, then they would also speak about the “spirit of Balaam”, who is called out for the exact same thing as Jezebel.
Verse 14: Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality.
Verse 20: Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.
But have you ever heard of a “Balaam spirit”? Have you ever heard of a man labelled a “Balaam”? In fact, have you ever heard of ANY spirit named after a man? An Ahab spirit? A Nabal spirit? Nope? Neither have I.
Because it’s not about labelling spirits. It’s about attacking strong Christian women.
And they label us Jezebel when it has nothing to do with fornication (which is the main thing she is called out for in Revelation 2); they label us Jezebel when we say that women are dear to God and should be listened to. They label us Jezebel when we dare to confront power, because “Oh, look, a woman is acting like a prophet, so she has a Jezebel spirit and needs to be cast out!”
It is not a sincere rebuke centered on Christ; it’s a way sexist men (and women) try to silence Christian women who are arguing for justice.
Charismatic people may insist that there is indeed a Jezebel spirit
And I’d like to push back.
If you are concerned about demonic influences in modern society, good for you. Argue for that and call things out when you see them. But just don’t call women Jezebel spirits.
When you name a sin after a woman, you are setting up the idea that women especially have a propensity towards this sin, and that it is mainly seen in women.
Even if you say, “both men and women can have a Jezebel spirit”, that isn’t okay, not when you see how it’s used today. As people in the comments section were saying yesterday, it’s very, very common for sexual abuse survivors to be told they were targeted by pastors, family members, etc because of their “Jezebel spirit.”
This is hurting real people.
It insinuates that women are to blame if they are victims of sexual assault, rather than the men who committed the sin.
Look at how Mark Driscoll used Jezebel spirit to show what I mean
As Rick Pidcock quotes:
“The Jezebel Spirit opened our event,” Driscoll declared. “There was a platform. It was a high place. On it was a pole, an Asherah pole, the same thing that’s used in a strip club for women who have the Jezebel Spirit to seduce men.”
A few nervous claps began to spread through the stadium.
“In front of that was a man, who ripped his shirt off like a woman does in front of a pole at a strip club,” Driscoll continued to describe. “That man then ascended … and then he swallowed a sword.”
So it’s the women at the strip club who are evil by seducing the men. It’s not the fact that many women who “work” at strip clubs are victims of sex trafficking. It’s not calling out men who pay money to objectify women. It’s not saying, “There is a spirit in this age that entices men to abuse and objectify and dehumanize women for their own gratification, and that traps vulnerable women in terrible conditions.” No, even though stripping only exists because there is a demand for it; even though it is men who pay the money and (mostly) men who often enslave women, somehow it is all about the “spirit” that is attached to these women that is entrapping these poor vulnerable men.
Do you see the problem?
So if you think there are personal, demonic forces that attach themselves to people, just call it the spirit of seduction or the spirit of manipulation, or, better still, the spirit of exploitation and abuse. But don’t call it a Jezebel spirit. Because these sins are not uniquely female.
“Jezebel spirit” has no place in modern discourse and perpetuates the abuse of Christian women.
At this point, Jezebel spirit is a badge of honor
Because it’s primarily sexist and misogynist people who use the term, then when you get called Jezebel, it’s usually a sign you’re doing something right. You’re ticking off the right people.
(I’ve even got “They call me Jezebel” merch in the store because it’s a way to draw attention to the horrible way that term is thrown around).
We’re simply not going to take it anymore. We’re sick of it. It’s a spiritual way of asserting dominance and superiority while simultaneously calling a woman a b****.
It’s not of Christ, it has nothing to do with Scripture, and it needs to stop.
What do you think? Have you ever been called a Jezebel? Let’s talk in the comments!
They won’t stop, because it’s effective. And when someone doesn’t have a good argument, all that’s left are ad hominems, name calling, and bullying.
I wonder if there were some who called Phoebe, or Priscilla, or Mary Magdalene a Jezebel? 🤔
And for those who need a laugh, I can’t help but think of Ron “They call me ‘Tater Salad’ White.” 🤣 IYKYK!
So is the problem that the performer immodestly took off his shirt, or that he was supposedly acting like a woman when he did that?
Sword swallowers have been around forever. They’re traditionally men, aren’t they? Leave it to Mark Driscoll, the man who ruined the Song of Songs, to think of sex when watching a cool carnival act.
I bet that act was the only fun part of the conference.
As for the Jezebel spirit, I’ve never gotten that one (though I’ve heard it a lot) but I have been called a feminazi for suggesting women have any rights at all
I’ve gotten the fem-nazi comment before because I dared to hold a door for some guys, which is obviously a “man’s” job as a mere female must be too weak to… open a door and hold it open…?
Really?
I think the problem is simply that MD has so hyper-sexualized everything that he needs to misdirect to blaming females for any arousal he may feel. (Arousal not meaning only sexual, but any emotion aroused is probably equated to sexual by his ilk because they haven’t learned to process it as anything else.)
Yeah, even though I don’t personally hear christians around me using the term, it doesn’t take long to observe how that term gets used. It is very much the equivalent of a hammer in a conversation, along with “liberal”, “backslidden”, “Eve’s daughter”, ect. I wonder when they will realize that people eventually stop caring what you say if you constantly insult them.
And this ties into why many main-line denominations (and even countries) have strict guidelines on exorcisms. It’s too easy to throw the undesirables and your enemies into the “possessed” bracket.
That conference was so bizarre all around, people have been wondering if all sides of that weren’t planned for PR. Any performance act has to be scheduled far in advance and go through several approvals to get in a conference line up, after all.
From some of the articles I read about this event (via Ric Pidcock and Julie Roys), I get the impression that this whole Mark Driscoll thing was staged. After he gets kicked off the stage, the pastor of that church says something about Matthew 18. This was in reference for Driscoll to come to the pastor in private and not publically which was something Driscoll accused his Mars Hill Church members of doing. It was not okay for people to publically call out Driscoll, but then he gets a taste of his own medicine when he gets booed off the stage.
I still don’t think flashy performances need any place in a “Christian” conference whether it be a men’s or women’s conference. I guess the performance of the sword swallower was not “masculine” or “macho” enough for Driscoll. Then he has to go and gripe about a Jezebel spirit at a men’s conference. He thinks men have to be a certain way and if they don’t fit the macho stereotype, they aren’t real men.
Some of my Christian friends on Facebook are singing Driscoll’s praises because he called out a supposedly feminized man for not being man enough. I so want to inform them that Driscoll has been kicked out of his own church, still has not changed his ways, and has referred to women as penis homes. Unfortunately, they probably wouldn’t believe me because he still speaks at “Christian” conferences like XO Marriage. Yep, just slap the word “Christian” on Driscoll and that men’s conference and that’s all that matters to a lot of Christians.
Briefly on the conference: I feel as though it all came about as a staged act, the Matt. 18 curfuffle, etc., just like a WWE show, as if to show that *they* know how to take correction. Also, if the only way a group of men can be encouraged is to tear a people group down, they aren’t doing it right. Not even close.
“…it’s very, very common for sexual abuse survivors to be told they were targeted by pastors, family members, etc because of their “Jezebel spirit.” Wow, that is a low I hadn’t heard much before (outside of the biblical counseling sphere where a woman was asked how she sinned when m*lested about age 4)! Just how intensely pathetic and deeply sinful are these “men” that they have to insult women to this extent to make themselves feel more powerful and more righteous? To me, anyone saying that to an abuse survivor has just admitted their lust problem. Just… wow!
When I look at the marriages of public people, I see Christ at work in some; in others, I see a lot more of the devil at work. Sheila and Keith’s marriage is one in which I see Christ at work; I see Sheila creating disciples in the name of Jesus and showing them how a good relationship (both with a husband and with Christ) can and should look (live life abundantly, etc.) When I view some others, I see the very bondage and slavery of spirit that Christ came from which to set us free. I see wives who are strangled in their opportunities to disciple others. It’s so disheartening because I’d wager many of them very much wanted to follow Christ well but became abused and lost their way to Him and sharing Him in truth because of the erroneous teachings of the church and their husbands.
Interesting new take on an old insult. In the 50s, ‘Jezebel’ was an insult aimed at any woman who was thought to be making herself too attractive. Women and girls were expected to dress well and look nice, but take that too far and you were a ‘Jezebel’. (I guess certain other people would refer to this as being ‘offensively attractive’?!)
But that conference…since when were sword swallowing strippers ever part of a ‘Christian’ conference? And if MD was so upset by it, why did he come back THE NEXT DAY to call it out? If it’s that bad, why not just…leave? I despair at the state of the ‘church’.
Just to clarify, the performer in question was in no way a stripper as MD described. Dude was literally an acrobat from Britain’s Got Talent who had his shirt off for part of his act. Was it an odd choice for a church conference? Sure, but so were the monster trucks and literal boxing matches that also took place. I’ve seen so much “justification” online from people claiming that they, too would like for a pastor to object if there was a stripper in their church, which was just not at all the situation.
Thanks for clarifying, although my bemusement still stands. Where I come from, Christian conferences are about things like studying the Bible, hearing about mission in various parts of the world, learning how we can follow Jesus better and share our faith with others…why on earth such an event needs acrobats, boxing matches etc, etc, etc is beyond me.
Also, whatever the issue with the performer, and whether MD was justified or not in his objections, it still doesn’t explain why he came back the next night to rant about it from the platform. Assuming he didn’t know the guy was going to perform in advance (which is pretty unlikely, because most speakers get told who else is doing something at the same conference), he should have raised his concerns with the conference leaders that same night. And/or boycotted the conference. Using a conference stage to complain about other contributors to the same conference is hypocritical (and bad manners even from the viewpoint of the world, never mind being nothing like a Christian should be)
Yes, it was a performance artist like cirque-du-soleil sort of thing. Still very out of place for a Christian conference, but not a stripper.
I have the bad feeling that many of the people at that conference wouldn’t care about the distinction. Too many like Driscoll, it’s probably a case of pole=stripper, regardless of the actual performance. It reminds me of how creepy some people can be to dancers in general…in my area I’ve even heard of Christians who are stage magicians who have to market themselves specifically as an “illusionist” to avoid connection to any form of magic. (I mean, illusionist is probably a more accurate term, but the point still stands).
I think it’s interesting how the name has been morphed by the natural changing of language and society. The name ‘Nimrod’ is for a mighty hunter in the Bible, but had been used sarcastically so much that now it is an insult to call someone an idiot (ironically not just for men, but women can be called a nimrod as well). In the same way, the name ‘Jezebel’ has been used as an insult so much, in ridiculous ways, that it is now a badge of honor for women doing the right thing.
I’ve been called both Jezebel and Nimrod. It took a while to see them as the badge of honor they are.
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If you name “a sin after a woman, you are setting up the idea that women especially have a propensity towards this sin, and that it is mainly seen in women”
But it’s not even one specific ”sin” that is called a “jezebel spirit.” It’s a catch all for “you pissed off someone in supposed authority while in possession of 2 X chromosomes.”
If we were accurate, “Jezebel Spirit” would apply primarily to women undertaking shady real estate transactions. 😀
Thanks Eliza, I cracked up at that one. 😂
LOL! Brilliant!
I’ve been labelled a Jezebel before… it does sting and your assessment of how it gets used willynilly in alot of churches correct. I’ll speak as a “charismatic” since I’d probably be included there in the way you’re using the term. There are circles where I’ve heard the term Jezebel used correctly. But these circles also use terms like Haman Spirit, Herodian Spirit, Leviathan Spirit, Python Spirit, etc. So there is more discernment being taught.
I feel like evangelical, macho style churches twisted the meaning of Jezebel spirit to support their patriarchical authoritarian goals. I’ve been taught it is a high level principality that has hatred for believers, like how Jezebel was a queen and had the authority to kill the prophets of Yahweh. Jezebel was also a witch. So the Jezebel in Revelation was a false prophet and actually using witchcraft (not the power of Holy Spirit) to lure people away from God’s truth. So someone who actually is under the demonic influence of a “Jezebel spirit” is likely fooling with the occult, twisting truths, desiring control, intentionally seducing with their words or appearance, etc.
Also I’ve been taught to always separate the demonic influence from the person. We don’t fight flesh, and “Jezebel” is not someone’s personality. They are a person loved by God who needs to be set free from a “Jezebellic” influence. So leadership should seek to reconcile the person back to God, not publicly humiliate them or ostracize them. And this has to be done using wisdom from Holy Spirit, not our carnal minds assessing a situation (because we could be totally wrong about a person).
I hope that helps!
I used to believe in these spirits myself. Then I started thinking about the foundations for this belief, and some questions arose:
1. Where in Scripture can one find references to a Haman spirit, Herodian spirit, Leviathan spirit, Python spirit, etc?
2. Why did Jesus/Paul/Peter etc never mention these spirits by name if they’re necessary for us to know about?
I’ve come to the conclusion this is a modern version of gnosticism — sounds impressive, and makes the teacher of these things sound like they’ve got some special esoteric knowledge so you should really pay attention to them… but has no Scriptural basis at all.
My main point was that these macho evangelical preachers seemed to have ONLY taken the “spirit of Jezebel” concept and used it as ammo at women (and sometimes men) they don’t approve of, instead of recognizing the many different types of demonic spirits and principalities exist. Using a person’s name from the Bible simply is a word choice to help define the typical way the spirit operates (ie anti-semetic like Haman, using political clout like Herod, etc). These same circles also use terms like “spirit of Moses”, “spirit of Elijah” or “Deborah/Esther” in a positive sense to reflect Christians using their giftings and annointing from God in a certain way. So honestly it just comes down to differing culture and lingo. (Unless you’re implying that you don’t believe in a demonic realm).
Anyways, not telling you what to believe. But hopefully that explains the culture differences. I follow teachers like Emma Stark in Scotland, Ryan Lestrange in Atlanta, and Barry Maracle in Ontario. Blessings.
Absolutely. I know people who base whole ministries on dealing with these and other “demons,” and I cal BS!!
Thank you for putting this so well!
Was Driscoll secretly turned on by this guy? Its easier to shame the all male conference than look at his own sin. And yes, this is strange to have an act like this at a Christian conference where the bible should be center stage.
Welp, that’s quite the exciting news of the Christian world this week! I just don’t get why Christian conferences have to have such flashy entertainment. Isn’t having a Christian band play good enough anymore? In the past, the annual Celebrate Recovery Summit hosted famous Christian bands. In 2017, For King & Country played the first night of Summit, but that was as big as it got.
What I don’t get is how some of my friends on Facebook have been singing Driscoll’s praises and lauding him as a hero because they claim he is the authority on correct “biblical” manhood. Gag. If ony they knew that he referred to women as penis homes, I wonder if they would change their tune. He’s just another self-righteous megachurch pastor who writes, er, plagiarizes books and spouts his opinions more than looking to scripture and its context. I don’t know much about the senior pastor of that church that hosted this “macho macho man” conference. He’s probably the same and I’m not impressed with him either.
I guess Driscoll is doing all he can to get back into the spotlight especially after Josh Howerton was the big name in Christian news these last few weeks. Enough with the “biblical” manhood and let’s ALL just be more like Jesus.
Not to mention that Driscoll has a LONG history of highly problematic behavior and speech. That’s what I’ve pointed out to friends who post in support of him. It seems that not everyone is aware of his history or his character.
Thanks for unpacking this, Sheila.
I know I had heard the term ‘Jezebel Spirit’ used, though not often and not from anyone I knew or respected. It was certainly not a concept or phrase I had used or thought about until this recent revolting spectacle.
I think it is important to highlight, as you did, what is behind the term, and how it attaches a special evil or sinfulness to a group of people (here, women) which is at best unhelpful stereotyping, but more commonly bigotry, sexism, racism, etc. There should be no place for that in the mouths of Christians.
I feel like this highlights a larger issue which is how exceedingly careful Christians must be about the language and terms we use and speak (let alone the conferences we attend, or the speakers we platform). And I am not excusing myself, as I have frequently made this exact mistake, and will probably continue to, despite my efforts.
I just finished reading Gavin Ortland’s book on Augustine and Creation. It was striking to me how deadly serious Augustine took rash and ignorant talk by Christians. He was clearly deeply concerned how this would end up smearing Christ, Scripture, and the biblical authors. This is a long quotation, and his focus was on things we now call science, but I think his point applies equally to using terms like “Jezebel Spirit.”
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“Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience.
“Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although “they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion [1 Timothy 1.7].”
Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram pp. 186-7 (lib. 1 cap. 19 n. 39)
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I feel that the same disaster happens if we are careless in how we speak about anything. And carelessness here is being overly charitable. In Driscoll’s case, he may be ignorant, but his own statements and actions indicate that he isn’t and even feels justified in grossly laying these sins uniquely at the feet of women.
What an embarrassing disgrace to Christ – this whole conference and Driscoll debacle appears. Christians should know better, and where they don’t, exercise caution and humility.
While I do not disagree that some men may use Jezebel as a way to shut women up, I also know if you search deeper into the Scriptures, Jezebel is an evil spirit, and she is rampant in our culture with men and women.
And yes, there is a spirit of Ahab which is connected to passivity and manipulation. Jezebel is one of witch craft. There is also a spirit of Nimrod, Baal, and Leviathan which is unteachable and prideful. It would be good for us to stop bashing men, and encourage safe masculinity…that’s really what we want. The swoons we are using is more harmful than healing.
I am a Christian therapist who has dedicated my life to studying healthy humanity in unison of Scripture. I have studied Gods purpose of man and His purpose for women.
I have looked deeply into these things. I have experienced a severe demonic oppression after the death of my son. The spiritual realm needs to be approached with a deep respect of what we are talking about.
By no means do I agree with how this situation played out…but I have to speak to the importance of taking demonic influence seriously. We have no power, other than what God grants us….and in order to be granted we must know what we are up against when we speak against it. Even apostles in the New Testament found themselves subjected to demonic attack when they tried to speak with authority without understanding
Many years ago, I was in an extremely abusive marriage. It was physically abusive, sexually abusive, psychologically abusive spiritually abusive. It was abusive in every way, and I was getting violently thrown around my hair, pulled my head smashed against things locked out of my house, called horrible names on and on and on, when I went to church and I have many stories, this is just only one, but when I went to church for counseling that the reason my husband was doing that was because I had a Jezebel demon and it needed to be cast out. I believe him. Instructed me to go home and write down every single thing I could remember from my childhood up until that day and then to come back in two weeks or something like that so I did all that work writing all that stuff down, and I went back for the appointment and the people at the office told me that he was out with a funeral and that they Were sorry that they didn’t call me so I had to make another appointment and wait another two weeks By that time, things have gotten so bad I had to call the police to protect myself, and we were separated then I was instructed by the receptionist that he could not see me because he only deals with married people, and I had to have an appointment with the head of the women’s ministry Then I had to wait another two weeks to talk with her so she was really nice and she asked how she could help me so I put my notebook on the table and I said well I’m here to get a demon cast out of me because because the associate pastor told me that that is why my husband is abusing me and once we cast this out, this will stop. I’ll never forget to look on her face. She really had to collect herself. I think she almost passed out and I’m not kidding once she collected herself, she was very diplomatic, but she let me know that that was not why my husband was doing that she told me I did not have HS about Demon and she told me to keep coming to church and to remember that a soft answer turns away wrath another words answer my husband with a soft answer. Well, she said if I continue in Jesus, he’ll see a change in me and he will either want Jesus too, or he will get worse than she said, if he gets worse, I know what you have to do or you know what you have to do. She was not allowed to tell me what I was going through with actual abuse, not divorce. She was not allowed to tell me that Pastor was an error with what he said, even though she did a better job than him this whole thing created a lot of confusion my entire life going back-and-forth, wondering if I have a spirit of Jezebel , I’m confident that I do not have a spirit of Jezebel. Mostly I was like 25 years old and I am 54 now. Since then, there’s a whole lot that went on, and there were a whole lot of other stories. Like I said, pertaining to that situation of the abusive spouse. I was told if I divorced him by one Pastor and I married somebody else I would always be living an adultery Couple that was involved in a Bible study that I was involved on after the Bible study one day we were talking I was so desperate for comfort and they sat there for probably two hours beating me with what I called forgiveness as if I forgave him, it was gonna make everything magically magically go away, and the fact was forgiveness was not the issue And then the fact that I was in choir practice every week we would meet and you know the choir Director praise and worship leader whatever you call him every week I would ask for prayer my marriage and he would ask so annoyed I found out that particular minister was sleeping with a bunch of women Praise and worship team and the last thing that he did was he had sex with an underage person and he got a drunk driving so they let him go, but none of us were aware that that happened. It was a freak thing that I found that out like 20 years after the fact , after the second time, I called the police and there was a protection order put on the man my ex-husband a lady from the choir called me to tell me that we were having a potluck and she wanted to know what I wanted to bring. I was crying. I said I didn’t have any money and I didn’t even know what I was gonna do and that my husband had gone to jail for abusing me and it was like she didn’t even care. She just said OK well I have other people to call or something like that and you know that was a terrible experience the whole thing but yeah all this time of my life I felt guilty like I didn’t do enough and I guess sort of still can feel that way I didn’t do marriage work. Someone told me a story , where this woman’s husband had left and she waited 10 years and she prayed for 10 years for him to come back and then he came back and everything was so wonderful so one day when the whole thing was pretty much over, I mean it was over I moved stories too. I’m just telling you these , I was thinking about all the abuse that I had gone through and I told the Lord I said I’ll wait 10 years for him. If he’s going to change, you know the beginning from the end you know if he will change or not if he’s not gonna change, please take this desire out of my heart for this marriage to reconcile, I took a nap and And they desire for the marriage to reconcile was completely gone, and it never came back. I think that was a miracle. The Lord took me to some scripture I think, and Isaiah those comforting to me. I’d have to have to look it up to let you know what it was, but yeah, I definitely have been called to Jezebel and treated as such since then too. It’s no fun being divorced when you were young, the married women all think that you’re their husband and I’m not joking and believe me I wasn’t any of their husband God bless you
God bless you too. You never had a Jezebel spirit. What an awful experience with church people